October 30, 2006

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  The following is a Seige_Jet post from the date indicated. The discussion is on the subject of creation and evolution. It is a shallow, rather than an in depth look at the subject, as he later points out. Important to me, in this, is Eric’s presentation skill for basic thoughts, and that it could plant the seeds for more in depth analysis (should someone care to take this further.) He doesn’t seem to want accolades, and eschews then in regard to his discussion and what it proves or disproves. I DO have accolades for him on this, if only for his presentation ability, and presenting rather clearly his notions, limited as he says that they are. Except for the first four lines, any print that is colored, is from me. (The orange at the bottom is Eric’s dis-inclination for self assessed profundity. The BLUE highlight, is where Eric approaches the topic: WHAT IF GOD CHOSE TO REVEAL HIMSELF? The discussion of that, would begin, perhaps, a convincing argument.) Actually, I don’t consider this paper to be shallow. Rather, it isn’t definitive, but merely introductory to a more specific possible discussion. while it doesn’t prove to be a complete discussion, IT DOES SHOW THAT SEIGE_JET IS RATHER STUDDLY – agree? Thursday, October 20, 2005 Skip straight to the bottom, this entry is marred by heresy and publicly dissents from the officially accepted dogma of the Church… also, it’s boring! Am I for or against God… the great puppeteer from beyond. Well, I’m not against the big guy in the sky. I’m actually pro-faith, however having said that I believe that God exists within you. That is where faith begins and where you’ll find it. If you can look past the blasphemy, the faith I speak of is one whose value you’ve built up yourself. Sadly, that means I don’t think too highly of the church or its doctrines since faith is more of a personal understanding. Regardless of what you’re taught, the faith inside of you motivates you to do good things and to continue believing. I know, like, no bull. The theme mainly has to do with the fabrications towards our views on God….people have told us what to look at, we’ve forgotten what REAL faith is. No… nothing AGAINST God. I may make some Judeo-Christian references, although with few exceptions, they are not gratuitous. Some people may dislike and disagree with my brush, painting religion in a bad light but I’m just drawing from the palette of corruption and contrasting it with the hues of faith. When I speak of God, I don’t mean it in the traditional sense. Keep an open mind and realize that despite the references, I’m not trying to make any statements about Christianity or any other specific religion. What I do is for the sake of simply evoking associated concepts within your mind. Those devout fanatics, the blind followers censor themselves from contrasting opinions. They cannot fathom someone who has differing beliefs than their own, though there is no right or wrong, that does not mean there is nothing worthwhile to say. I have no reason to be for or against the Judeo-Christian God, though as far as an omnipotent, omniscient figure – don’t make any presumptions for or against the possibility. They won’t listen to any expression or ideal contrary to their own or any expression or ideal contrary to their religion. They don’t like an open mind… I’ve heard that the Devil has an open mind. Well, I try my own tactic, telling them how futile and pointless following draconian rules and rituals are while pointing out the value and faith in the heart. Very similar to what Jesus, himself did. If they disagree, which they assuredly would, tell them to read the passages where Jesus talked to the religious establishments of his day. Hopefully after that, you can have an open dialogue with them instead of a shouting match. In fact in most conversations I have with people, generally the most juvenile attitudes come from supporters of organized religions. The whole ‘I’m right, you’re wrong’ attitude and ‘I’m going to heaven while you’ll go to hell’ stance. Also the “legends” that most organized religions would have you believe seem to be nothing more than juvenile fantasies or great exaggerations in the least. Like somebody really could survive the flooding of a whole planet with 2 of every single creature in some rickety ark, or that somebody could survive in the stomach of a whale like its a mystical cavern or something. Logic would certainly dictate that you would at least raise some questions about the validity of such stories, but your staunch supporter of organized religion would tell you that you just need to have faith or accuse you of heresy for not believing. Now tell me which side of the argument truly sounds childlike. While I certainly respect everyone’s beliefs and do acknowledge that organized religions have done tremendous amounts of good in the world, I certainly think that in a lot of cases organized religious groups are deserving of plenty of criticism. In the beginning, there was nothing. By a method still being debated, but likely extraordinarily complicated, there became energy and matter. Life arose from the primordial soup, or from deep sea vents or some method, yet to be determined. The pieces of life arose by accident, but they were not alive. Bacteria arose and also those like bacteria. And some of the bacteria was divided. The bacteria to the left formed algae and diatoms and the bacteria to the right moved on. And the bacteria to the right again divided. And to the right, the fungi, and to the left, the animals. That bacteria which stayed formed different bacteria, and have done so since the time when some went right, and some left. And that which was before algae formed algae, moss, ferns, and trees, both fruiting and coning, and as various as the stars in the sky. And that which formed fungi, formed the yeasts and the mushrooms, and those like the yeasts and the mushrooms. And that which formed animals formed the sponges, and the shellfish, and the worms, and the insects, and the spiders and scorpions and the sea stars and the fish of the sea, beasts of the field, and birds of the sky. From one beast, came man, who was aware of himself, who multiplied greatly, though at first with other beasts, for he was alone. And the sponges and the shellfish, and the worms, and the insects, and the spiders and scorpions and the starfish, and fish of the sea, and beasts of the field, and birds of the sky arose from that which first went right and then left. And man, who was aware of himself, arose from these also, that first went right, and then left. Man arose, and built great cities. He wondered by what magic he arose, and could decide on no one thing. He suffered by the sky, the plague, and fellow man, and died. When he died, he became as nothing. And when mankind was destroyed fully, by the sky, the plague, and fellow man, the earth found that man arose to nothing, and of himself, became nothing but the dirt of the ground and the food of those who came before him and after him. And the earth was content for many years. And when the time came, the sun died, and all life that went to the right or to the left was extinguished with it and that which went to the right, or to the left, came to nothing and became as nothing. Therefore, men, knowing that you are nothing and will become as nothing, drink, eat and be merry, for you are as nothing, and will be nothing except the dirt of the ground, and the food of those before you, and those who come after you. The science of evolution isn’t hard science. It’s forensic science. It is based on evidences, much like a trial, and also, very much like many religions. Religion and forensic science always require some faith, because your degree of certainty is much smaller than say, basic physics or chemistry. Basically, evolution is currently the best thing science can offer, but many are too willing to push it as truth when that is simply bad science. Beyond that, I’ll also say that hard science is supposed to be testable, but it can only test the physical. If something spiritual does exist, science cannot be expected to notice it, for it must by nature, write it off as something physical but as of yet unknown.   Believing in the ark or the great fish is much like believing that life arose from some sort of nothing. Once you believe in something, all other things must follow and be rationalized under that point of view. The ark and fish are just examples of providential care. If you already believe an all powerful God exists from other evidences, it is not hard to believe that an all powerful God could give miraculous care as needed. Even if a scientific explanation could be given, a believer does not need them because again, this isn’t a passage about whether or not God exists or not, it’s about a feature of God you are to believe if you already believe in God. I think the main point is… don’t be a sucker. Don’t believe just because someone says. Examine what you believe, examine a text if applicable and manuscript evidence. Look for holes. Whether or not the spiritual exists, there’s stuff out there trying to take advantage of you. I can’t make the good parts of religion look very bad – it can only make the bad parts look that way. And the bad parts more often than not aren’t even taught in the religion. There are a lot of people out there that don’t even know what they claim to believe. These, and the “religious” people that take advantage of these people, are the ones that I am most harsh towards.   It’s hard if you’ve lived a life where you have been force fed Christianity your entire life, and have never once thought outside that box. In that sense, everything I’ve said probably offended you. Sorry, guy.   Religion loves to preach theory and delusion. Question everything. Don’t buy into something because the Church or your parents said so – seek the truth for yourself. This isn’t just an attack on organized religion but the entire misguided plato-derived conception of being. Yes, I’m eloquent as god spit and a schizophrenic mishmash of cliches and symbolism (and before you get started, no, symbolism does not mean depth or relevance or quality or anything approaching legitimacy).   Most close-minded people refuse to place God above their own understanding of Him. Thus, they lose the real divine nature of God. They limit God to their own limited understanding. Everyone wants to understand the universe and the mind of God. Most (or if) philosophers would naturally come to understand that a god or gods exist, he just wouldn’t be able to understand them. Thus, the philosopher would become an agnostic, believing that God cannot be defined and understood by Man. However, if God were to willingly reveal himself to Man, then Man could understand God, but only by what God has chosen to reveal of himself - which is the essence of Judaism/Christianity/Islam.   Forget the logical and illogical religions of history, if you don’t believe in Eric, hence forth known and referred to as God, then you will go to hell. If you’re some kid in a third world country who has not been exposed to my religion, then you will go to hell. If you have been exposed to it and rejected it, let Allah smite you with his might! Yea, the Church is funny like that.. ————————————— Red Auerbach Red Auerbach has just died. He is one of the most accomplished persons in sports. He coached the Boston Celtics NBA basketball team to an unprecedented 8 championships in a row as coach, and later added even more championships as a general manager. He oversaw basketball great Bill Russell, obtained because of his ability to slow down the great Wilt Chamberlain, and also influenced greatly into the era of Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, and Robert Parish. His record of consecutive wins, and percentage of wins over a prolonged period beats even the New York Yankees of baseball, and the Montreal Canadiennes hockey dynasties. What a great one!   Also passing was baseball great Joe Niekro  who pitched for Detroit in the 70′s, and most noteably for the Houston Astros, later, for 11 years. His brother played pro ball simultaneously, as a great knuckleballer, and is in baseball’s Hall of Fame. —————————————–   A great author passed away a few months ago who was one of my top favorite authors. Egyptian Nobel Laureate, Naghib Mahfouz. He is best known for his Cairo Trilogy, however, three books of his I have read (I have more on my shelf) are: The Search, Travels of Ibn Fatouma, Arabian Nights  and Days. The Search, is more modern day, as in the last 100 years, and in some way might be considered Dostoyevskyist. The other two are more mythological. All three are immensely readable, and great reads at that!   Don’t forget to say your prayers. Someone needs it. peace, JtheP OK< ADD THIS:

  
  

  Remember these Detroit Tiger greats:  Rocky (the Rock) Colavito, and  ’Stormin Norman’ Norm Cash

  
  

  The Tigers finished with 101 wins, but second place to the Yankees, the year Roger Maris broke Babe Ruth’s home run record for the Yankees. Can you imagine a line-up with these two AND Hall of Famer Al Kaline? Colavito was in baseball primarily with the Cleveland Indians and Detroit Tigers, from 1955 – 1968. Cash played most of his stellar career with the Tigers. Career 1958-1974.

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